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 Post subject: PT 51, S1, Q5; Landscape architect....
 Post Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2010 11:34 am 
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Can you help me understand the reason why C is wrong? Thanks!

One great strategy on problems like this is to boil them down to conditional logic and just use x's and y's rather than the real elements of the argument. Then you can just substitute elements from the choices to see if there's a good match. Remember, all the pieces have to fit!

Here we have:
hedge --> hemlock or cypress
NOT cypress
therefore: hedge --> hemlock

A --> B or C
Not B
therefore: A --> C

(C) subsoil --> clay or shale [A --> B or C]
if one shale --> all shale [??]

This is not a match! It's missing the critical "Not B" element! The presence of "C" in one spot does not allow us to infer that "B" is totally ruled out of the entire area!

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 Post subject: Re: PT 51, S1, Q5; Landscape architect....
 Post Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 1:33 pm 
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bbirdwell wrote:
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(C) subsoil --> clay or shale [A --> B or C]
if one shale --> all shale [??]

The presence of "C" in one spot does not allow us to infer that "B" is totally ruled out of the entire area!


I am under the impression that this answer choice does allow us to rule out B, if C is present.

No doubt answer choice C is not parallel, however, I believe it operates like this:

Shale is either completely A or completely B in this area.

Revelation of a test hole in this area shows A. Therefore the shale in the entire area is A.

That is valid. However, what makes this incorrect is that is does not conclude "If test hole reveals A ---> No B in the area.

I believe answer choice C is a totally valid argument, simply not parallel to the stimulus.


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 Post subject: Re: Q5 - ; Landscape architect....
 Post Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2011 3:32 pm 
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"if ...to be a hedge, that hedge must be of either H or L"

there's no "but not both", therefore, is there in total three options?

hedge--> H / L / H + L

the issue of purely "either...or..." and "either...or...but not both" always bothers me.

Could any one plesae help confirm whether the diagram above correct?

Thanks in advance!


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 Post subject: Re: Q5 - ; Landscape architect....
 Post Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 2:10 pm 
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jlz1202 wrote:
"if ...to be a hedge, that hedge must be of either H or L"

there's no "but not both", therefore, is there in total three options?

hedge--> H / L / H + L

the issue of purely "either...or..." and "either...or...but not both" always bothers me.

Could any one plesae help confirm whether the diagram above correct?

Thanks in advance!

Well don't let it bother you! When somebody states, "Either A or B"...That totally gives us the right to have both.

The "or" in LSAT use is not disjunctive, it is always inclusive of both possibilities being listed.

The only time it does not is when you are directly told "not both."

Either A or B
Translation: Has to be at least one of A and B, could be both.

Either A or B but not both
Translation: One must selected, the other must not be selected.

Either A or B and not both
Translation: And/But are logical equivalents on the LSAT, so this is the same statement as above.

In this scenario (#5) we are given

If hedge ---> Hem or Ley

The stimulus gives us information that directly tells us that both types could not be used. So the possibility of both is gone.

We now have: If hedge ---> Hem

This is because we know that Ley is out of contention as we read from the stimulus.


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 Post subject: Re: Q5 - ; Landscape architect....
 Post Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 7:38 pm 
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