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 Post Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 5:40 pm 
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I had to skip this game during a practice test but when I went over it I found it to still be pretty tough. From what I could gather :
Y/Z could occupy space 1
Obviously T in space 3
W in space 6
S in space 7

Those in spaces 5 and 6 had to confess, S of course could not since it is after W
Also Z can only be in 1 or 2

With this information, which took me a bit of time to infer, I still found the game confusing. I am wondering if these inferences are correct and if anyone who completed this game with moderate ease can post their diagram and process for each question.


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 Post Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 7:41 pm 
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Nice work on the inferences. I didn't infer anything other than what you did.
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I found the set-up a bit time-consuming, and found it particularly useful to take the constraints out of order, and do a second swing through them, but then the questions were pretty straightforward as long as I was thorough in working out what each new condition meant.

Most of the questions hinged on the issue of who confessed and who did not, or who could have confessed and who could not. (I wonder if anyone was tortured.) I showed my mini diagram for #16, as I think it's typical for this game and it also shows how often you should not go "all the way" with working out scenarios. This is particularly true with a could be true EXCEPT, which is really a MUST BE FALSE question. With must be conditional questions, we should be able to solve it by following the inference chain and without exploring "could be trues".

For #14, on the other hand, you should diagram the new rule: V - Y - X, add in the rest of the game: Z - V - T - Y - X, add in the confession issue:

NC C
Z - V - T - Y - X,

and then the answer is going to be in the unfilled part of the mini-diagram, since it's a "could be true" question. (If it were "which must be true/false", then we'd expect the answer to be about Y or X confessing or not).

Good idea to keep replaying games as you creep towards test day.

Tell me if you have any further thoughts or questions about this game, or if you notice that I've made a mistake.

- Noah


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 Post subject: Re: PT53, S2, G3 Detectives investigating...
 Post Posted: Thu May 27, 2010 6:37 pm 
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how did you figure out how many people confess or not? does it matter how many confess? it seems to based on the questions? why does Z have to be the second to confess as was written previously in the thread?
too many questions for this game.


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 Post subject: Re: PT53, S2, G3 Detectives investigating...
 Post Posted: Thu May 27, 2010 7:03 pm 
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Good point of clarification...

It's only for question 13 that Z must be the second person to confess, and that's only because the question provides that conditional piece of information!

Good luck!


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 Post subject: Re: Diagram
 Post Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 3:01 am 
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I get all the inferences in the first post. I do not understand question 16.

I'm trying to place X V Z Y in spots 1,2,4,5 so that neither X nor Y are in 4th place. What am I missing?

Z in 1 or 2 and Y can always avoid the 4 spot and I can interchange x and v...

I must be missin something but this is driving me nuts.


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 Post subject: Re: Diagram
 Post Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 12:18 am 
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For question 13, does it mean that a suspect confesses before Z or does it mean that Z goes in spot 2 and what's before it is open?


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